Final Cut Pro X and Yosemite

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Karsten Schlüter wrote:

ronny courtens wrote: ... never update an OS unless you have a safety net....

Good morning, Ronny,
thanks for chiming in ... I have never reinstalled a whole OS via my TimeMachine backup, ... therefor my Plan B to create a clone of my actual main drive, BEFORE 'testing' Yosemite ... very little extras installed here, as mentioned above Hawaiki .. and mObject.-


Usually, professional pressure here, I love to be the guinea pig for new versions.. this time, I guess, it needs a lil' shopping first... need a new drive anyhow...

A point about backup. Time Machine is fine. It's reliability is questioned often, but really it does the job. I've done a complete restore format before. It is slow to restore, but is a complete system backup. That said, Karsten do proceed with your plan B!


My general advice to all, whether Time Machine, a clone, or online backup, if you're only doing one of those you don't have a backup, you have a copy. There is a big difference. What if something goes wrong during a restore because there is a problem with your "backup?" What would you turn to?

Anyone planning to upgrade existing hardware to Yosemite needs to either have 2 clones, on two different physical disks or a clone and Time Machine backup. If you don't have room on another drive to clone to, go buy one. If the $100 US for a drive can't happen now, then you really can't afford to upgrade to Yosemite now either. For countries like the U.S. with slow to less slow bandwidth Internet based backup, while still viable, is the least desirable option to have to restore from.

Sorry to lecture, but I've been in tech support all my life and I've seen first hand what can go wrong.

Want to second Bobbyco
I keep at least 2 clones and 2 TM disks going. Currently running with 2 clones and 3 time machine backups.
I alternate updating TM each week and rotate the incremental update to clones about once a month or before any major software upgrades. Alternating the updates means I can go back in time if I find something wrong late in use. Many folks also advise storing one backup offsite in case of fire or other disasters. You could also use a cloud based backup for offsite, but is very slow to recover.
Now with large drives, it is possible to partition a drive into a clone and TM, stick it into a dock, use it a week or so and then swap drives. I keep one clone on an ssd in case my boot drive goes south.
I would not want to have to do a complete restore from TM. IMHO way too slow. I use TM if I need to recover a file or 2 or an app.
Clone allows me to just boot and go, or if I need to try a OS out on a different computer.
Make sure in the case of a clone that you have a fast I/O device to run it in. USB2 is a no/no/go.
I speak from experience, when it bites, it bites hard.
I also keep copies of old OSs on drives (typically old boot drives from MP), and I keep OS installer on DVDs or USB thumb drives, in case I need to use outdated programs. These drives need to be exercised once a year to keep data safe.
Hope this helps, Greg

Sound like most things work pretty smoothly in Yosemite....

I'm in the middle of a project, but still considering to upgrade. I've had a long lasting issue with the Magic Mouse. It gets jittery, which makes working in FCPX a pain. It seems to be partly related to having a second monitor connected via thunderbolt.
I have a, probably too optimistic, hope that these issues will be fixed in Yosemite. Which would make working in FCPX so much nicer.
These issues are sort of random, seems like the mac sometime have bad mouse days
Seems to be a fairly common issue, but haven't found any solutions online.

Have always done the upgrades without doing backups, probably since 10.3 or so. Never had a problem. It's not the wise thing to do though. But I guess I like living on the edge

Just out curiosity how many of you did a update or did a clean install?

Three different test machines, one clean install and two updated over Mavericks. I see no difference, but the two updated systems had been clean installs of Mavericks.

- Ronny

Dimitri
By chance are you using USB3 drive?
As much as I like USB3, sometimes USB3 causes radio interference. Have had this issue myself with Tract pad.
When experiencing the jitters, if you have a USB3 drive going, try unplugging or turning off drive.
Some people cure this by repositioning drive or covering cable with copper or metal tape.
Just a thought.
If this doesn't fix the jitters, try less coffee
Hope this helps, Greg

ronny courtens wrote: Three different test machines, one clean install and two updated over Mavericks. I see no difference, but the two updated systems had been clean installs of Mavericks.

- Ronny

One, Mac Pro, clean install with no issues with any of the applications and plugins.
The other Macbook Pro which have been updated since the Beta has some issues with Launchpad showing empty groups. Motion performance is not optimal. Compared to Mavericks. But all else is fine.

VidGreg wrote: … sometimes USB3 causes radio interference. ...

lots of usb3 here in use - no probs with mouse nor MTP....
BluTooth and WLAN share frequencies... some friends had issues due to a Fritzbox (=Wlan router) sitting under the table.... pushing it just a meter away = all fine.

plus. the good old mouse-pad ... :lol:

VidGreg wrote: Dimitri
By chance are you using USB3 drive?
As much as I like USB3, sometimes USB3 causes radio interference. Have had this issue myself with Tract pad.
When experiencing the jitters, if you have a USB3 drive going, try unplugging or turning off drive.
Some people cure this by repositioning drive or covering cable with copper or metal tape.
Just a thought.
If this doesn't fix the jitters, try less coffee
Hope this helps, Greg

Interesting! It's the first I hear of USB3 causing radio interference. I do use USB3 drives.
So far I've only seen that they happen more frequently when second monitor is connected via thunderbolt adapter.
Problem is all my projects are on the USB3 drives and space is limited on internal, so can't really test if it improve thing in FCPX.
Seems to also get worse when the CPU is busy, but at times when it's fine that doesn't seem to matter. And sometimes it happens when no CPU strain is going on.

When I can afford it I want to get a wired mouse, but really like the Magic Mouse - when it's working

Just to add. Updated mine over a clean install of Mavericks. No problems thus far and really liking several things. Especially "Dark Mode".

No issues so far with FCP X (fully loaded late 2012 iMac). No problem in Motion (working on a multi layer project with a bunch of emitters).
When an app is opened for the first time you see the beach ball for a couple of seconds, but, afterwards, everything is speedy as usual.

However: CS6 application seems to be rather sluggish. Media Encoder is merely crawling. Aperture is even slower than before (despite update).

Upgrade over existing Mavericks installation.

Same for me - several effects (that happen to be purchased via FX Factory) have stopped working after upgrading (too quickly) to Yosemite. For example - the Nattress Levels and Curves.

FCPX is working fine for me so far, but I have had internet connectivity issues. Namely very sluggish performance. I cleaned the cache and restarted and it is better, however a quick Google of the issue shows there are other folks with similar problems.

- T.

Dimitri
USB3 interference is becoming well known, however, it is also intermittent and does not effect everyone.
Here is a white paper on the subject…
www.usb.org/developers/whitepapers/327216.pdf

While they talk about USB2 dongles, this interference also affects 2.4hz bluetooth devices (like your mouse) even when the device radio/receiver is built into the computer.

You say "Seems to also get worse when the CPU is busy, but at times when it's fine that doesn't seem to matter" This is often an indicator of USB3 interference, but it is more likely what you think is CPU activity is really read/write activity of the connected drive. When a drive read/writes, it uses more power, as power goes up, it generates more radio interference. The signal to noise ratio goes down and you can get the jitters, dropped connection, legginess.

Also note that the distance from the computer to the mouse, the distance of the USB3 drives to the computer and to the mouse. Finally the length and direction of the USB3 cable can all have an affect on the interference.
Try moving everything around. Use your mouse as close to the computer as you can. Move the USB3 drives to the other side of the computer if you can and as far away from your mouse as possible. Cover the USB3 cable in foil tape. Change the direction that the cable lays on your desk.
You can use a USB3 hub if you need to. WireCutter just did a review here…
thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-usb-hubs/

In general, you can find a ways to eliminate the problem with the steps above. If not write back.
Hope this helps, Greg

To ask a question... How do I save or make sure I have a copy of Mavericks if I need to install it after upgrading to Yosemite, I cannot find Mavericks in the App Store.
Thanks

Thanks VidGreg!

I'm a bit limited in how I can move things around but will certainly give it a try!

The disk activity interference makes sense somehow!

Wish I could afford TB drives...

I upgraded to Yosemite and my Blackmagic ultra studio 4k spits out video out of Resolve fine, however my av output switch in fcpx is grayed out and I can’t click it on to get playback. Anyone get this? I am on a new mac pro and haven’t had problems thus far.

You'll only find the current version of OS X on the app store. You'd want to do a backup of your system drive, then update.

If you are having playback problems, just re-install the latest Desktop Video, that seems to take care of it.

Count me in the group having Yosemite issues with FXfactory plugs. The project that's currently crashing under Yosemite contains some transitions from SugarFX inside FXfactory - approaching other FXfactory plugs with caution. Almost all the vendors inside FxFactory are really responsive with updates - so I'm hopeful that trend continues.