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Poor font rendering, help. 23 Mar 2020 15:28 #105529

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Hello folks,
I'm having an issue getting my edits to pass reviews from my Exec Producer due to FCPX's text rendering. Specifically, FCPX is adding a faint black outline/shadow in my white text set over red backgrounds. The Premiere editors are not having this issue so I assume it's a rendering issue, Should I be sending my edits to Compressor? What setting would clean up my fonts? Please see the attachments.
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Poor font rendering, help. 24 Mar 2020 19:05 #105570

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What text template are you using? Be sure Drop Shadow is turned off.

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Poor font rendering, help. 24 Mar 2020 19:22 #105574

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The lettering was created using the 'custom' title with no drop shadow or outline. I've also had the graphics team send me lossless lower thirds and got the same result upon sharing out of FCPX for computer at better quality. The same happens when sharing as H.264

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Poor font rendering, help. 25 Mar 2020 11:45 #105597

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I've never seen that, I'm stumped.

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Poor font rendering, help. 26 Mar 2020 01:33 #105627

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I don't know why exactly but I can confirm what you're seeing, at least in a 4.2.2 colour space export (h264 or ProRes HQ).

I recreated a red BG and a text (doesn't matter whether you use the Custom title from the Built-In/out or the Basic title, same result). I also tried it on Blue BG and no ghosting (that's what I would call it).

I just tried a ProRes 4444 export and there you don't see it!
So my guess is that it has to do with 422 colour space and how the colour information is reduced. Don't know enough about the technical details but that's what it looks like.

What do you have to deliver? Can you deliver a ProRes 4444 QuickTime to them? Then it would be clean.

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Last edit: by cofe. Reason: to make it clearer :-)

Poor font rendering, help. 26 Mar 2020 11:52 #105631

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It's "kind of normal behaviour" with color combinations like this and color spaces.
PremierePro behaves the same though type is rendered a bit sharper.
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Poor font rendering, help. 26 Mar 2020 16:48 #105639

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Thanks for your thoughts. The Premiere editors in my team have no problems with their white fonts on red, but they also have far more options in their render settings. Sending to Compressor doesn't appear to offer much more as far as settings. Maybe I should export as 4.4.4.4 and use Adobe Media Encoder?

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Poor font rendering, help. 26 Mar 2020 16:53 #105640

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Maybe I wasn't clear.
The examples I attached are from Premiere Pro (ProRes 422) and DO show the same cross color effect - only a bit sharper.
Latter is a kind of PPro 'feature' to sharpen output, it's discussed quite often.

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Poor font rendering, help. 26 Mar 2020 17:39 #105643

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Here a direct compare using ProRes 422HQ (zoomed in)



You see the cross color effects happen to both.
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Last edit: by Andreas Kiel. Reason: replace screenshot with font of same size used in both apps

Poor font rendering, help. 28 Mar 2020 00:15 #105697

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And nice to see that FCP renders a better result :-)

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Poor font rendering, help. 28 Mar 2020 19:16 #105701

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Going off on a tangent here, but I'm production manager for a TV station, and I'm not sure why your production head is worried about something so trivial. Seems there's an ulterior motive here, or something else going on.

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