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FCP7 Editing 4K in smaller resolution and conforming it later. 12 May 2015 09:14 #64356

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I have been told this information before, so how is it possible that I have a 4K pro res video, I import it to FCP7, drop it to a new sequence, say 'YES' - the sequence is now in 4K resolution, I do some edits and export and the exported file is a 4K file?

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FCP7 Editing 4K in smaller resolution and conforming it later. 12 May 2015 10:11 #64360

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There is a great NLE that does not require rendering all the time. I am not saying its name, but it ends in X, and can handle 4K material just great :-)

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FCP7 Editing 4K in smaller resolution and conforming it later. 12 May 2015 15:11 #64379

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If you drag a 4K clip onto an empty new sequence the latter should conform to the clip's resolution and settings. Emphasis onto the "new empty sequence" part. Make sure the clips are converted to ProRes.

Which version of fcp do you have, is it 7.0 or 7.0.3?

Bear in mind that there may be issues as, as I mentioned, 4k is not really supported in FCP 7

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FCP7 Editing 4K in smaller resolution and conforming it later. 13 May 2015 00:08 #64392

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I have FCP7 7.0.3

As I said, I have a pro res 4K video and can drag it to new empty sequence and edit away and export no problem...?

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FCP7 Editing 4K in smaller resolution and conforming it later. 13 May 2015 08:30 #64405

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I'm more interested in how you transcode the 4K H.264 into ProRes?

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FCP7 Editing 4K in smaller resolution and conforming it later. 13 May 2015 08:34 #64406

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Compressor or MPEG Streamclip.....

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FCP7 Editing 4K in smaller resolution and conforming it later. 13 May 2015 09:30 #64411

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Have you considered trying a Proxy workflow in Final cut Pro 7?

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FCP7 Editing 4K in smaller resolution and conforming it later. 13 May 2015 09:54 #64412

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no, could you please elaborate? Convert to Proxy instead of 422? and then bringing it back?

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FCP7 Editing 4K in smaller resolution and conforming it later. 13 May 2015 11:37 #64417

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Before I start writing paragraphs on how to check out this nice video on Tapless Offline / Online Workflow from Shane Ross.

Creative COW FCP: Tapeless Offline / Online Workflow

It should give you a good idea and understanding. If you have any other questions after watching the video post your question here.

Cheers

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FCP7 Editing 4K in smaller resolution and conforming it later. 14 May 2015 02:44 #64460

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Thanks for this video.

I have two questions:

1) My camera is Lumix-GH4 so how would you recommend me going about log and transfer because right now FCP7 is not allowing me to log and transfer the native footage from GH4 - is there a plug in like for the Canon 5D?

2) My workflow now on smaller scale projects is: take the original GH4 footage - transcode it to ProRes 422 LT, Import to FCP, create a 1080p Sequence, drop and edit - export and for some Transode to .mp4 ... Many editing experts told me that there is no visible difference between ProRes 422 LT and 422 and HQ if I am not doing any VFX/graphics/green screen, just pure documentary form videos. Would you agree?

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FCP7 Editing 4K in smaller resolution and conforming it later. 16 May 2015 20:04 #64603

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Sorry I couldn't tell you if there is a plug for Final Cut Pro 7. I would have to do research myself since I stopped using Final Cut Pro 7 awhile back.

This is true that there "should not" be any visible difference for the eye when viewing the original transcoded footage.
ProRes LT is good if you are limited to bandwidth and hard drive space. Great in a Broadcast environment or a off-line to on-line process.
ProRes 422 will most closely match the original image quality.
ProRes 422 HQ is more in the direction RED, HDCAM, or HDCAM SR... overkill for DSLR.
I would go with ProRes 422 unless you are running on low drive space.

Take look at the Apple ProRes White Paper to give you a better understanding of the different flavours of ProRes.


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FCP7 Editing 4K in smaller resolution and conforming it later. 20 May 2015 04:48 #64713

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Thanks.

Watched the online/offline workflow again, and since option 1 (log and transfer) is not working for my GH4 the only option is option 2.

The problem is that it still leaves me hassled how to go about the workflow. Please consider this -

ORIGINAL Footage - is in h.264 4K
CONVERTED Footage would have to be Pro Res 422 4K (I heard that dropping 4K into a 1080 sequence is better than downscaling your videos while transcoding?)

for the offline workflow I would then have to create THIRD footage - Pro Res Proxy Offline

This means that ultimately I would be chewing up even more space and time trying to work that way.

Maybe it's just best to convert once to Pro Res 422 and then drop it to 1080 sequence and deal with the rendering when needed?

Thanks

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FCP7 Editing 4K in smaller resolution and conforming it later. 20 May 2015 05:28 #64716

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Your concern can be easily solved by purchasing this App called Final Cut Pro X for a affordable price.
You won't need a workflow since the application will do it all for you.

you will have to create Proxy separately in your situation there is no other way around this.

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FCP7 Editing 4K in smaller resolution and conforming it later. 20 May 2015 08:46 #64721

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Why not edit the 4K H.264 directly? After the editing done, you can save it as 4k ProRes later.

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FCP7 Editing 4K in smaller resolution and conforming it later. 20 May 2015 09:29 #64723

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I can't. FCP 7 won't let me import the files in...

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FCP7 Editing 4K in smaller resolution and conforming it later. 20 May 2015 11:09 #64725

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"You won't need a workflow since the application will do it all for you."

Do you mean FCP X will allow me to edit natively in H 264?

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FCP7 Editing 4K in smaller resolution and conforming it later. 20 May 2015 11:44 #64727

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Yes you can natively edit with h.264 in FCPX. But the nice thing about FCPX you can import your footage and transcode your material to; optimise and proxy (in the background) then you just switch between the different formats with a click with no relinking.

But back to your question I would do a test if you see a difference in transcoding your footage in ProRes and downscaling it... in FCP7 or your transcoding tool of choice.
So your delivery is 1080, do you even need to edit with 4K material (punch in..)? It always good if you ca offered a step less in a workflow.

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FCP7 Editing 4K in smaller resolution and conforming it later. 20 May 2015 11:47 #64728

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I would need to punch in / reframe / stabilise occasionally from time to time, but if I decide prior to the project i dont have to...

I will do a test and let you know using both Mpeg Streamclip and Compressor (transcoding and downscaling 4K h 264 to Pro Res 422 1080) and will post if there was any difference.

Thanks!

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FCP7 Editing 4K in smaller resolution and conforming it later. 20 May 2015 11:54 #64729

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If you have any other question feel free to and nail a post here.

As AppleGuru mentioned give FCPX a try. There is a 30 day Trial here , download it and add import your footage from your last project and see how it works for you.

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FCP7 Editing 4K in smaller resolution and conforming it later. 20 May 2015 18:18 #64744

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Yes it will, plus if you have slower/older hardware, FCPX internally handles proxy media for online/offline editing quick and easy.

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