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A skype call to hel me understand a few things, please????? 14 Apr 2017 12:15 #87198

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You seem to be getting on an unjustified soapbox about this issue. Clearly, there's something that's not getting through to you. I've read your posts again and there seems to be a few things that are tripping you up and you're blaming this Original/Proxy toggle in the viewer.

Don't make Optimized Media or Proxy Media. Edit the original media and learn about the other settings and when to use them for next time.

The timeline will still render as ProRes (either automatically or when you tell it to) because the world has decided that ProRes is the best option. You do have control over what flavor your timeline is (default is ProRes 422), but you won't be able to render your timeline as AVCHD or other garbage.

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A skype call to hel me understand a few things, please????? 14 Apr 2017 12:18 #87199

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I have to edit in proxy mode, the video is 6K in size, and impossible to play without converting to proxy, I have tried to leave the 7 second clip as original, and when the timeline is set to proxy, the 7second clip will not play, it will display the proxy missing message.

This is what I mean, this is a serious issue, I know how to edit, I passed the exam!!!

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A skype call to hel me understand a few things, please????? 14 Apr 2017 12:22 #87200

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MsJustine wrote: Prores is not right for everyone, it is a weak workaround, and I am quite surprised no one has mentioned this before.


You are not forced to transcode to ProRes (other than, as I said, for preview rendering), you can uncheck create Optimized Media in the import window. You can also transcode to whatever you want before import (with 3d party software). ProRes is not for everyone? Well, it's your choice!

I bet if Adobe created their own optimized codec family or if Apple allowed ProRes to be encoded on Windows and be computed in 64bit, a lot less Macs would be sold.

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A skype call to hel me understand a few things, please????? 14 Apr 2017 12:28 #87201

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Yes, you are right, I can change the media with 3rd party to anything, yet when I import it, Apple destroys it with the inability to use suitable codecs within FCPX.

That is my point, not what happens outside of the app, but what happens inside the app.

The concept is not hard, Apple should have more than 1 flavour of Prores, in fact more than just 1 thing, look I will agree I don't know everything, that is why I asked not to get into a pissing contest.

This is Easter, why not instead of fighting, make that call, it is skype after all, and it would maybe help me instead of all of us getting blisters from typing...

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A skype call to hel me understand a few things, please????? 14 Apr 2017 12:50 #87202

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Dear MsJustine,

If you don't understand the explanations given above a Skype call wouldn't be of any help.

- Andreas

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A skype call to hel me understand a few things, please????? 14 Apr 2017 12:51 #87203

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I'm @DaveChap on Twitter and DaveChapFilms on Skype if you have more questions.

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A skype call to hel me understand a few things, please????? 14 Apr 2017 12:58 #87204

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Andreas Kiel wrote: … a Skype call wouldn't be of any help.…



uhm, well, it would … keeping the board clean of such nonsense as


Apple destroys it with the inability to use suitable codecs within FCPX.…


:S

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A skype call to hel me understand a few things, please????? 14 Apr 2017 13:00 #87205

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I am reporting Karsten, when I leave it as Original, it works, when set to Optimized, it no longer works, just reporting what I observe!

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A skype call to hel me understand a few things, please????? 14 Apr 2017 13:03 #87206

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MsJustine, read this and then let us know if you have any questions.

larryjordan.com/articles/media-in-fcp-x/

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A skype call to hel me understand a few things, please????? 14 Apr 2017 13:04 #87207

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A skype call to hel me understand a few things, please????? 14 Apr 2017 13:08 #87208

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As I said, Apple has decided what is best, and that is not helpful any any way. You have missed my point.
Dave why don't you repost what you posted to me, instead of copy pasting, write it in your own words...

That might actually lead credibility to what you are saying.. Copy pasting proves you know how to copy and paste and does not prove you understand what you pasted as a link!

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A skype call to hel me understand a few things, please????? 14 Apr 2017 13:11 #87209

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What? Larry Jordan has spelled out everything clearly with photos and details on all aspects here. I and others have tried to explain it in previous posts, but it seemed as though you needed an in-depth explanation of how it worked.

Perhaps FCPX isn't right for you. You keep getting upset at things we all agree work great compared to other NLE's. You may try Premiere or even Resolve? I have stayed with Apple BECAUSE of ProRes and I'm sure others have too. If you don't see the value there after reading those posts, then maybe your priorities are different and another NLE would be better.

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A skype call to hel me understand a few things, please????? 14 Apr 2017 13:12 #87210

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MsJustine wrote: ….. Copy pasting proves you know how to copy and paste and does not prove you understand what you pasted as a link!


EY, msj!
Dave in his compassion answers your request, and now you insult him?
Asking for the ban-hammer??

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A skype call to hel me understand a few things, please????? 14 Apr 2017 13:15 #87211

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Hi Karsten,

No, I just pointed out that if he wants to come across as helpful, just copy pasting without added commentary is not helpful.

All I have done is point out a problem I have, that the solution as per Apple is a problem, the 1 only prores is not helpful, it is doing something really strange to my media, I love FCPX, I think it is the best out there, and I feel there is a problem.

I will refrain from posting again!

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A skype call to hel me understand a few things, please????? 14 Apr 2017 13:23 #87212

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What I am asking for is someone with a lot more experience to explain to me what is going on, how do I solve this problem, in the spirit of friendship, and to maybe one day maybe I will be able to get paid work...

I don't understand everything, and I have tried for months to find out why and what is going on with this footage, what is the best method to overcome a problem I have, sorry if I have offended, I never set out to do that, I have no one here to ask for guidance.

I see no problem with asking for help, and yes I would love for someone to take a look at my material and maybe suggest a way to get to where I need, we all love the software, and I hate not understanding why the video works in 1 mode and how to get it to work in all mides, ie proxy and optimized...

I will change the video, I have exported and maybe I am doing it wrong, I will accept that...

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A skype call to hel me understand a few things, please????? 14 Apr 2017 13:26 #87214

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MsJustine. Once you read both links I posted, we can offer more help. Both of those articles by Larry Jordan should fill in some holes in your understanding of this topic. If you don't read them, we probably can't offer anymore help.

For your reference...

Link 1:
larryjordan.com/articles/media-in-fcp-x/

Link 2:
larryjordan.com/articles/fcpx-when-to-optimize-media/

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A skype call to hel me understand a few things, please????? 14 Apr 2017 13:35 #87215

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First:
Sorry for my previous post - it was to harsh.

MsJustine wrote: As I said, Apple has decided what is best, and that is not helpful any any way. You have missed my point

Apple did only decide what is best for previewing files within the FCPX package. Nothing else.
In case you got a 6K whatever file your hardware will give limitations and you might need a proxy file with lower dimensions and color space to have a fluent playback.
These are the options to choose from.
It's the same for any NLE.

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A skype call to hel me understand a few things, please????? 14 Apr 2017 14:22 #87216

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Andreas Think you hit the nail on the head.
If I recall correctly, MsJ has a middle of the road 13" MBP i5 (i3?) 8GB (think she started with only 4GB) computer and slow external drives and now wants to push it beyond capabilities with 6K footage?? Let's add some multi-cam to the equation, lots of effects, how about some scrolling text??
Really it is all Apple's fault??

MsJ you need to be very thankful for proxy.

Greg

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A skype call to hel me understand a few things, please????? 15 Apr 2017 11:54 #87224

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If I remember correctly, Justine had one single 7 seconds 6k clip that caused problems because it was not transcoded to proxy and therefore offline in the proxy timeline view. Perhaps I can let the penny drop: proxy view in the viewer means every clip has to have a proxy version. You have to right-click it and make a proxy copy. If your monitor isn't 4k - let alone 6k :unsure: - then you won't notice a difference. One can even color correct with proxy - if there is only a tiny low-res window to monitor the video, anything else makes little sense. Proxies have heir limits if you want to draw precise masks or judge noise before Neat or Photon Pro, but apart from that they are fantastic.

What about an alpha channel? I don't know. I do use ProRes4444 occasionally when exporting animated title animations from After Effects (don't ask!). They don't play perfectly smoothly on a much more powerful machine than your's, but I don't care. They tend to be short, so I hit ctrl r, an the "problem" is solved ...

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A skype call to hel me understand a few things, please????? 15 Apr 2017 12:10 #87225

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Hi All, the problem I am having, and trying to find a solution to, and I have found a viable solution actually, between yesterday and today..

I have 1 clip that is overlay on top of another video clip to cover part of a virtual set for 7 seconds, this 7 second clip when I import it as the original, and despite my best efforts of changing the type of clip in compressor, when I change the timeline into proxy mode, the clip instead of covering 20% of the set, it turns into a full black clip.. Not ideal.

The rest of the material in proxy mode is 100% it was just this 7 second clip I use twice, in the 180 seconds the project lasts, so what I have done is hand draw a mask around the set where the clip has to be, and inverted the mask, it works, but not 100%, now I am not sure why that is, lack of understanding, need older experienced brain to explain...

It seems that the proxy mode affects the alpha channel in a strange way, that is not apparent in Original/Optimized mode. I have changed the 7 second clip into ProRes 4444 with Alpha, and in proxy, with the hand drawn mask, a strange effect, yet I do not need the mask the I use Original/Optimized..

To explain, the 7 second clip is of 3 magazine covers that fade on and fade out, the magazine covers are in the middle of the screen with a white background around the outside, equally wide all the way around, think of a box in the middle and 4 white broad borders.. As each magazine cover fades in, there is a white box the same dimension of the magazine cover, that lasts for a few frames.

In Original/Optimized you cannot see the white placeholders, in proxy you can, and it is this I am trying to understand what is going on.. I can edit using the inverted mask, in proxy mode, and the video plays 80%, that is with the white placeholder, it is acceptable for editing...

Thanks everyone...

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