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Slow even on the newest New Macbook Pro! Comparison done. 26 May 2019 16:16 #100022

Today I used my Transcend 2TB Thunderbolt USB 3.0 External Hard Drive for MAC (TS2TSJM300) and plugged it into a brand new £2345 MacBook pro to see if it would help my very slow projects and be the answer to faster editing and adding effects.

Specs New Machine tested:

2.6GHz 6-Core Processor
Radeon Pro 555X with 4GB of GDDR5 memory
16GB 2400MHz DDR4 memory
256GB SSD storage


My old machine is:

2015
2.9 GHz Intel Core i5
8 GB 1867 MHz DDR3
Intel Iris Graphics 6100 1536 MB


Problems still present on both machines! Witnessed by the guy in Mac Store who agreed performance seemed the same:

1. Slight pause on proxy 4k files when hitting space bar to play both machines.
2. Hardly viewable playback in optimized 4k mode 3 - 4 second delay before playback both machines.
Not playable at all on older machine or 10 second delay. Old machine
3. Slow toggle speed between view panes ( top right ) Both machines.
4. Rendering seemed really around the same progress speed on both. Both machines
5. Sometimes full crash when adding effect ( old machine only ) Old machine.
6. Sometimes closes FCPX when using Isotope Plug in. Didn't test.
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On my machine MBP 2015, I edit using the libary and all clips on the Transcend HD - which has a (upto10gb per second) speed and I use thunderbolt.

I need a machine that is faster for editing. But as a demo in store I should have been really impressed with the new Mac - but I was not and nor was the man in store!

The only thing on my actual Mac is the programme itself - So I am stuck on what to do to get more effficient speed and work flow?

SLOW EXTERNAL DRIVE? Seems the obvious answer. Mine is UP To 10GB p s - when some other drives are 800GBps ? Can it really be as simple as buying a faster RAID?
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Slow even on the newest New Macbook Pro! Comparison done. 27 May 2019 13:27 #100024

too much information ?

Lots of the proper experts on here talking about RAID and stuff :) ooo.. Way out of my depth ;)
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Slow even on the newest New Macbook Pro! Comparison done. 27 May 2019 13:38 #100026

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When you said Thunderbolt USB 3.0, which port is connected to the Mac, the Tbolt or the USB?

I use a 2015 rMBP 15" at the TV station myself, and it runs just fine, none of the issues you state. I'm also using a USB 3.0 RAID from OWC, dual 7200rpm disk drives in it configured to level 0. A brand new iMac would give you an increase in performance with a good external USB 3.0 or Tbolt 3.0 RAID. At home, I use an iMac Pro with Promise RAIDS (8 bay level 6, and a 4 bay level 5). I've yet to have performance issues. I edit 4K almost exclusively, multicams daily, tons of Motion work (mO2 mostly).

I have a few colleagues using brand new MBPs with quality external Tbolt RAIDs and they're very happy and mostly trouble free. Bear in mind nothing is 100% trouble free, so you find what is least troubling.

I don't doubt your findings, but I am puzzled as to why you have such issues. You weren't doing all of this of the system drive in the store, were you?
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Slow even on the newest New Macbook Pro! Comparison done. 27 May 2019 22:32 #100028

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Heya,

So just to clarify, you have the drive connected to your MacBook Pro using a Thuderbolt 2 to thunderbolt 3 adapter, correct? Just out of curiosity, what is the “read” speed if you were to perform a speed test with Blackmagic test.

Edit to remove repetition and another observation, when I looked up the drive model, even though it offers Thunderbolt 2, it’s still using a single 5400rpm spinning drive. If I were to speculate, the read speed may be too damn slow. Besides getting a Raid drive, you may want to look into a external SSD, such as the Samsung T5 or SanDisk. Of course it’s a matter of what your 4K storage situation looks like.

Final edit.

Just saw a screenshot of the speed, which is roughly 128 MB/s. Yeah, it’s too slow. You can play the footage back in proxy (1080) and it will play, but not in a fantastic fashion, and 4K playback on the drive will murder it. You definitely need a faster external drive.
Last Edit: 27 May 2019 22:56 by deweyt44. Reason: Found new info.
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Slow even on the newest New Macbook Pro! Comparison done. 28 May 2019 04:17 #100031

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No worries, the technical stuff takes a little bit to pick up, because it’s the boring crap no one wants to care about :P

With that said, in simple terminology, the external drive you currently have is telling you “I don’t wanna, and I’m too old for this.” For an immediate solution, I would pick one of these guys up for about $90.00 or so. This is easily almost 5 times as fast as your current external drive.

www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1346577-R...gb_portable_ssd.html


The reason you hear the term RAID is for two reason. First Solid State Drives (as seen in the above link) can be very expensive for larger storage amounts. This is a flaw with solid state drives, in which they’re significantly faster than traditional hard drives, they sacrifice storage size. A RAID is a physical enclosure that can store two or more drives. A major benefit is you can store multiple traditional hard drives, and combine them to act as one, which would make them as fast as SSD, and still have a lot of storage as well. This makes it more cost efficient if you have a lot of 4K footage..

Another benefit with RAID drives is security. In a simple explanation, (but lacking some details) you can setup your RAID in a way in which if one of your hard drives in your raid were to die, you would not lose your movie files, and you can open the RAID enclosure, and replace the bad hard drive.

Sorry for the wall of text :)
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Slow even on the newest New Macbook Pro! Comparison done. 28 May 2019 09:15 #100034

Guys - Guys - Guys

Over delivery and I love it - I love walls of text too.

Boys - interesting you know more than the Apple Store people, although this is was a non proper Apple store, like a franchise one.

Anyway - if the drive solves it - you guys are owed a beer cause the new Macs are waaay too expensive.

My only question was the T5 - its does not seem faster than the Transcend.


Just to clarify some other helpful ness.

1. The man in the shop used a thunderbolt adaptor to new USB C / 3 on the new mac yes. Thunderbolt drive end, to adaptor.
2. My Transcend is always connected to the thunderbolt socket on my MPB.
3. Its www.amazon.com/Transcend-Thunderbolt-Ext...SJM300/dp/B00NV8PQ48 and 5400rpm
4. The T5 seems very very cheap - is there nothing around £300.00 that is crazy good? I saw some with 800gb per second speeds. Maybe its the storage that you pay for I just noticd a T5 for $350 1TB
5. I guess Raid is not right now for me as I only do short 12-20 min films on YT - even considering drpping back down to 1080p as 80% watch on their phones!
6. I like the tech talk as it helps understand the creative process massively provided its explained as well as you just did.
7. Not sure I understood RPMs as I though SSD didnt do that .

Samsung X5 looks nice 2100mbps

www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-EU-Portable-X5-...883&psc=1&th=1&psc=1
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Slow even on the newest New Macbook Pro! Comparison done. 29 May 2019 14:20 #100043

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The T5 Will definitely be faster than the Transcend simply because the T5 is a solid state drive while the Transcend is a 5400rpm spinning disk drive (RPM are found only on traditional spinning disks, because they have to physically spin to run, while a SSD doesn’t.) On average the Read/Write speeds of the Transcend on average is 120 MB/s, while the T5 Read/Write speeds on average is around 500 MB/s The advantage the Transcend will have over the T5 is more storage. Here’s an article below in regards to the T5. The Samsung X5 you pointed out is exceptionally fast. It may be a bit overkill for your needs, but could prove more valuable down the line for more elaborate works.

4k.com/news/samsungs-incredibly-advanced...ideo-usb-3-1-219651/

With that said, any external SSD brand that can plug directly into your MacBook Pro’s port using USB 3.1/above or Thunderbolt 3 will be a significant improvement. Ultimately it comes down to how much storage you need. Below video is comparing different external SSD, so may be worth the watch.



As for 4K, it’s a mix bag. On one hand, many videographers will choose to shoot 4k, and import the footage in a 1080p timeline. This will make the image sharper and provides the opportunity to zoom in if you wanted to with less of a chance the image becoming blurry. On the other hand, 4K is expensive to store, and most people watch videos on their phone, so HD is perfectly viable.
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Slow even on the newest New Macbook Pro! Comparison done. 29 May 2019 15:16 #100044

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As far as the guy in the Apple store goes, bear in mind that the employees there are trained in the specs of the computer but are not necessarily experts in FCPX and certainly are not experts in all of the 3rd party peripherals. I would never go to them for editing hardware or software questions. You are much better off asking the good folks on this forum who build/upkeep their own FCPX edit systems and work with them every day (many of us professionally). There has been some very strong info given in this very thread. Best of luck.
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Slow even on the newest New Macbook Pro! Comparison done. 29 May 2019 16:45 #100046

What a forum - what amazing characters. I wondered what the whirring sound was from the Trancend!

I am now going to hot foot it off to get that shizzle down.

I also did not know about 1080p timeline - I normally just do set as same as first clip - I like the 4k thing on YT as I may have said, thre is an icon, - it does seem to favour 4k uploads at least for the first few weeks anyway - which might help them define one measure of quality as part of their algo.

I am now going to hunt down inside the forum and share some intel - in a kind of pass it on way.

If that solves my issue I owe you a beer cause thats $3000 saved - I like my free mac at the moment :)
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Slow even on the newest New Macbook Pro! Comparison done. 04 Jun 2019 10:53 #100102

ooo one more question if I may.

I edited a film on my local Mac which was 1 min long. The rendering of it was slow.

Can I just ask, what makes the rendering bit? Is it the computer or the place where the files are stored or both.

Obviously I am still doing as I am told. I am just trying to work out where to run FCPX from on when I get my fast drive -
i.e from the external ssd or from the mac ssd ?
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Slow even on the newest New Macbook Pro! Comparison done. 04 Jun 2019 12:11 #100105

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SSD's are faster, but they do not solve the bandwidth bottleneck issue for system drives. Keep your system drive clean and plenty of free space. Place Libraries and media on a secondary drive, a very fast one. Have enough RAM and powerful enough GPU, and that's about all you can do. If that's not enough, proxy edit.

As for external drives, I have a 7200rpm HDD USB 3.0 RAID that outperforms my single SSD T'bolt drive. Be careful of generalizations.

Codec of the original files, and what your exporting to also have a major impact on performance.

carry on...
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