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... Mac Mini 2018 for 10gBe server 15 Feb 2019 01:38 #98930

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FCPX.guru wrote:
I have two sizable Promise RAIDs next to my desk, not much noise at all.
Not much is too much ;)

There's other things too
* NAS is cheaper, even if you take into account 10GbE cards etc
* NAS can do more things, can have my own FTP server on it so clients can download files
• I can keep all my digital movies/videos on the NAS and easily watch them from any device anywhere and on my AppleTV.
* Can host videos on my webpage on it so I don't have to deal with vimeo/youtube space/compression
• Thunderbolt on Hackintosh is not hot-swappable (although it might be with new Titan Ridge cards)
• I can access my files anytime from anywhere

For raw speed a Thunderbolt RAID is better but a NAS has so many other functions...
But ask me again tomorrow and I might be of another opinion, my NAS arrives then ;)
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... Mac Mini 2018 for 10gBe server 15 Feb 2019 12:49 #98933

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Why would I open my LAN to the web?
I don't need Ethernet cards.
We use Frame.IO and nothing beats it.
I can actually do all of those things with my T'bolt RAID.
I record voice work daily from myself and others here next to my desk, my HDD RAIDs are no issue, that's NOT too much noise.
Hackintosh, meh...

But yes, NAS has networking advantages if you seriously need those.
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... Mac Mini 2018 for 10gBe server 15 Feb 2019 20:50 #98937

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Hello! Sorry I feel like I started a large chat here and just dropped out of the discussion!

There are a few reasons I found this idea interesting and was considering it.

I travel a lot so a NAS allows me to access my files at home base anytime I am on the road. Even if its just checking a file exists, grabbing an updated project file, etc, it acts like my own personal cloud with all my files. While I'm on the road, I typically have a 1tb SSD that I have my latest projects media for editing not he road. I backup all raw immediately to my NAS after a shoot to have it in a same place and for final archive.

I bought a DS418play in hopes to have this type of archival and remote access but was hoping to do some editing off of it while directly connected via ethernet at home. However, I've found connectivity and speed to vary greatly . Sometimes it will let me do some work, sometimes I cannot do anything or even a copy is slow.

I've been looking into a 10gbe NAS but they are expensive and I fear similar speed and connectivity issues. Which is why I was considering getting a 4 bay Thunderbolt 3 RAID that would allow for super fast copy and connecting that to a Mac mini anytime I am not using it so it is remotely accessible, sort of turning the RAID and any other drives I want into a NAS. I would imagine the easiest way to do this would be resilio, but any other ideas on how to remotely access it? Would there be a better way to do that? Etc. It is sort of putting the money a high end NAS would cost into a decent RAID and a entry level Mac mini to get the remote access to the files while also the benefits of being able to direct attach and a second computer for copies or transcoding if needed. Would love some insights!
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... Mac Mini 2018 for 10gBe server 16 Feb 2019 17:19 #98948

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FCPX.guru wrote:
I record voice work daily from myself and others here next to my desk, my HDD RAIDs are no issue, that's NOT too much noise.
Just because you don't think it's too much noise doesn't mean I don't find it to be too much noise. I just can't stand the rumble ALL HDDs emit...
Last Edit: 16 Feb 2019 17:22 by DmitriZigany.
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... Mac Mini 2018 for 10gBe server 16 Feb 2019 17:26 #98949

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richcamp wrote:
I've been looking into a 10gbe NAS but they are expensive and I fear similar speed and connectivity issues.
When I looked into it, a NAS actually turned out cheaper than a Thunderbolt RAID per TB. At least if you wanted a proper hardware raid and not software based like most of the cheaper RAID chassis you can buy are...

Connectivity worries are valid though! I will report back how the NAS works out once the 10GbE cards have arrived!
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... Mac Mini 2018 for 10gBe server 18 Feb 2019 04:25 #98960

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sacha06 wrote:
Hi,
So I did the test :
* Mac Mini 2018 with :
* 2x sanlink 2 connected in TB2 with the adapter to TB3
* 1x Lacie Little Big Disk with 2to SSD in Raid 0
* 3x Macbook Pro with :
* 3x Sanlink 3
* 1x MacPro
* Internal Gigabit only

All these 4 devices connected to the 2x2 10gbe ports of the Sanlink2
All projects, caches and medias on the lacie SSD
All machines are running 4 HD videos (in PIP), some Prores LT and some H264.
No lag or bug at this time. and it's pretty reactive !
!!

OK I get what you're trying to do here. (I saw the video)
You have a Mac Mini 2018 as a 'server'.
You're using a LaCie SSD as a 'shared storage'.
The Mac Mini has two Sanlink2 TB2-10GigE adapters so that's your '4-port 10GigE switch'
macOS 10.14 is the 'file server'.
3 MacBook Pros and 1 MacPro connect via 10GigE (using Sanlink2) to the 10GigE ports of the '4-port 10GigE switch'.

Some years ago (2012) I had put together (with the help of Bob Zelin) a system called 'Final Share'.
This consisted of
MacPro (tower type)
Internal SAS card connected to a SAS RAID 42 TB
Internal 10GigE card
Netgear 10GigE switch

6 iMacs running FCP 7 The switch connected to the Netgear switch over GigE. And they all shared video files on the SAS RAID which was shared between multiple FCP 7 workstations (hence, 'Final Share'). So, MacOSX 10.10 is the 'server OS' and MacOSX Server is the app that controls file sharing. This was in 2012.

In 2015, I replaced the Tower MacPro with a cylinder MacPro, attached 2 Thunderbolt 2 RAIDs, and kept the SAS RAID but put the SAS card inside a Thunderbolt expander.
Many of the file sharing controls in the Server app are now integrated into macOS 10.13 and 10.14 so you don't need the server app.

The advantage of this setup of yours compared to a NAS from QNAP is that the 'shared storage' is MacHFS+ so there isn't any of the file naming, or permissions issues that there could be with a UNIX storage and NFS.
The possible disadvantage is that Server will soon have many features deprecated, and so you can only use the features present in macOS.

Its only been days since you put together this test setup. Let us know how it does after some days/weeks of use.
If you had to do this all over again, you should consider the Sonnet Solo TB2-10GigE adapters. They are faster.
Or, you can consider a managed switch like a Netgear 10GigE switch.
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... Mac Mini 2018 for 10gBe server 18 Feb 2019 07:39 #98961

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Thank you for your feedback

I will keep you inform when I will do some test with real editors !!


Strange thing I didn’t have any issue with the SMB packet signature ...
perhaps because it’s directly attached with fix IP !?
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