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Color Finale Pro 1.8.2 & FCPX 10.4.4 compatibility CRASH every time! 16 Nov 2018 17:43 #97720

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As the title says: Im now unable to use Color Finale Pro with FCPX. See screenshot.

Error produced when CF Pro is put onto clip: A Fatal OpenCL Error has occurred and Color Finale is being disabled. Error: setting argument for sop failed (-38)

Anybody else experienced this?
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Color Finale Pro 1.8.2 & FCPX 10.4.4 compatibility CRASH every time! 16 Nov 2018 18:01 #97726

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Ahhhh The company just told me the new FCPX broke it and they sent out an email yesterday which I didn't get!!! They're working on an update.
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Color Finale Pro 1.8.2 & FCPX 10.4.4 compatibility CRASH every time! 17 Nov 2018 19:52 #97749

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I'm having the exact same problem. LUT Gallery is not working either. It shows no LUTs available. I did not get an email either., but I'll check to see. I already tried updating the apps, but none are available. You would think they would be part of the developer program and would have this all tested and worked out before they launch new versions. I guess not.
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Color Finale Pro 1.8.2 & FCPX 10.4.4 compatibility CRASH every time! 19 Nov 2018 01:19 #97778

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I’m quite sure Color Grading Central is a part of the developer program. Their latest release did work perfectly in the 10.4.3 version of FCPX and they never launched any new version since. They did email all registered users and notified them that Color Finale would not work in the latest 10.4.4 release of FCPX and to wait before updating until an updated Color Finale is shortly released (if their app is essential to your workflow). They were proactive about this and should be fixing the issue soon.
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Color Finale Pro 1.8.2 & FCPX 10.4.4 compatibility CRASH every time! 19 Nov 2018 03:13 #97779

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I apologize in advance for thinking out loud but I wonder how much more development time Color Finale will get now that they've released Cinema Grade. Unless they're expanding their development resources, as a small company, they'd be stretched otherwise. Unlike Color Finale, Cinema Grade isn't FCPX specific.
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Color Finale Pro 1.8.2 & FCPX 10.4.4 compatibility CRASH every time! 19 Nov 2018 03:24 #97780

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I had the same thoughts. I own CFP, but Cinema Grade looks like the evolved version of it. They want $150 for CG, and there is no upgrade path for Color Finale. I would guess that since FCPX now is color wheels and LUTs built in, the market for CFP has dwindled so Cinema Grade is a logical route, but if that means CFP owners are left hanging out to dry, then it seems a little unfair. Hopefully that won’t happen and hopefully they offer some kind of upgrade path for existing loyal users, especially if CFP is not going to be supported.
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Color Finale Pro 1.8.2 & FCPX 10.4.4 compatibility CRASH every time! 19 Nov 2018 04:22 #97781

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Cinema Grade is not an upgraded version of Color Finale, thus, why would there be an upgrade path? It is a new app (not a plugin) written from the ground up. I wouldn't think there needs to be an upgrade path. If there was, they'd have offered it already.
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Color Finale Pro 1.8.2 & FCPX 10.4.4 compatibility CRASH every time! 19 Nov 2018 04:42 #97783

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The issue is whether they have the resources to support both Color Finale and Cinema Grade. I'm not sure they do.

I do think Cinema Grade has a somewhat different target market. Whereas , over time, there's more duplication between Color Finale and FCPX's own grading tools, Cinema Grade offers a very different approach.

I do think improvements in FCPX has impacted Color Finale and maybe Coremelt's Chromatic as well.
Chromatic still has a built in tracker but I can't help but think that will be inn FCPX 10.5.

I think FCPX is evolving in color grading much as Resolve is evolving as an editor. They have some "philosophical" differences in approach but I think Apple has good motive to advance the grading features in FCPX and the Comparison Viewer is good step forward. Add tracking and a visual display of LUTS (both Color Finale and Chromatic do that) seems to be the next logical step forward in FCPX. Adding built in Video Noise Reduction is also in that category as Resolve has that feature.

All that said, it would be nice if ColorGradingCentral had a customer loyalty "reward" for those who may want to consider Cinema Grade.
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Color Finale Pro 1.8.2 & FCPX 10.4.4 compatibility CRASH every time! 19 Nov 2018 07:09 #97784

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FCPX.guru wrote:
Cinema Grade is not an upgraded version of Color Finale, thus, why would there be an upgrade path? It is a new app (not a plugin) written from the ground up. I wouldn't think there needs to be an upgrade path. If there was, they'd have offered it already.

Not trying to be argumentative, but there is a big splash on the main page that says: "Cinema Grade Plugin"

Cinema Grade Plugin

As for the app situation, Color Finale installed as an app too, but was really a plugin. It's the only plugin I own that has crashed after updating versions in final cut pro, at least in the last five years. I guess I just feel like this is a very similar product to color Finale, and should have just been an upgrade. Some developers charge for upgrades, some don't. It's their business and they can set the model they want to follow. But for me this is just Color Finale II with a new name and rebranding it as Cinema Grade and not offering some kind of loyalty incentive to color finale customers is bad PR and bad CRM. Anyone who's been in business will know the 80/20 rules. Here's one of them: Most companies that fail spend 80% of their time and resources chasing new customers, and 20% on keeping the ones they have. Successful companies spend 80% of their time and resources taking care of existing companies. Why? Because these customers already bought from you before. They trust you, liked your product/service enough to buy it, and will be some of your biggest advocates and promoters. Word of mouth is a lot more valuable than any other form of advertising. In my opinion, they should offer an upgrade path to Color Finale customers, and by upgrade path, I mean it should be a different price for existing Color Finale users. And if they are smart, they should just combine them into one product, and support the one application....or plugin.
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Color Finale Pro 1.8.2 & FCPX 10.4.4 compatibility CRASH every time! 19 Nov 2018 07:20 #97785

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cseeman wrote:
All that said, it would be nice if ColorGradingCentral had a customer loyalty "reward" for those who may want to consider Cinema Grade.

Agreed on all, but especially this. Merge the two plug-ins (or apps) and focus on one. Then provide an upgrade path for existing customers. If they did, they would instantly have a huge customer base out there promoting Cinema Grade, instead of annoyed current Color Finale Customers. They could also save the resources required to maintain two apps.
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Color Finale Pro 1.8.2 & FCPX 10.4.4 compatibility CRASH every time! 19 Nov 2018 12:09 #97789

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It is a stand-alone application that uses an interface inside of FCPX to access it. Thus, it also has a "plugin" like component, and is marketed as a "plugin", but is in fact a stand-alone application.

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Color Finale Pro 1.8.2 & FCPX 10.4.4 compatibility CRASH every time! 19 Nov 2018 15:02 #97790

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FCPX.guru wrote:
Cinema Grade is not an upgraded version of Color Finale, thus, why would there be an upgrade path? It is a new app (not a plugin) written from the ground up. I wouldn't think there needs to be an upgrade path. If there was, they'd have offered it already.

Sorry, it IS an upgrade because it does exactly the same job as CF otherwise why would anyone now purchase CF? And if CGC say its not an upgrade then it darn well should be, as this is exactly the sort of thing that p****s off customers - big time!
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Color Finale Pro 1.8.2 & FCPX 10.4.4 compatibility CRASH every time! 20 Nov 2018 01:55 #97796

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NO not an upgrade , it does not at all do the same job . I have both of these apps/plugins (also Chromatic that i like a lot) and these colour correction software approach things very differently ; I will chose one depending on the dynamic of the images to influence.... on the other subject of upgrading software CGC as been more than generous on Color Finale upgrades giving away a lot features and goodies. They even sent by email many promo codes towards the purchase of " Cinema Grade " which is a very original , good and instinctive primary grade software, I don't understand what is the problem more so that 3 days ago we were warned that there was a problem with CF and 10.4.4 and that they will fixit.
Don't forget that the summit was this weekend that we are monday.
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Color Finale Pro 1.8.2 & FCPX 10.4.4 compatibility CRASH every time! 20 Nov 2018 02:19 #97798

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Francois.

I didn't get an email or promo code, but i'll check my spam. As for giving away upgrades and goodies , can you explain? I don't recall anything in the few years I've owned it other than them fixing it when it broke, usually several days or weeks after fcpx updates. And like I said it's the only one I recall that breaks after updating. All my other plug-ins seem to work. No worries though. I still feel Cinema Grade is an evolved version of CFP. It's pretty easy to figure out their business strategy in selling it as a brand new app. I think it's flawed but it's their business.
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Color Finale Pro 1.8.2 & FCPX 10.4.4 compatibility CRASH every time! 20 Nov 2018 02:24 #97799

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I think there is a believe that Color Finale is nearing End of Life. There were features like tracking that never materialized. Expanding the chart matching feature beyond Color Checker Passport Video never happened. Not even for its big brother the Color Checker Video. Meanwhile a new app by the same developer appears with an alternative approach to color grading.
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Color Finale Pro 1.8.2 & FCPX 10.4.4 compatibility CRASH every time! 20 Nov 2018 02:35 #97800

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cseeman wrote:
I think there is a believe that Color Finale is nearing End of Life. There were features like tracking that never materialized. Expanding the chart matching feature beyond Color Checker Passport Video never happened. Not even for its big brother the Color Checker Video. Meanwhile a new app by the same developer appears with an alternative approach to color grading.

Exactly. When I purchased CFP, it was in anticipation of those features you mentioned that never happened. I bought the passport just to use with this app, because they didn't release it for the Color Check Video. Now they release an enhanced color grading plug-in under a different name, and want another $150. Good product, bad business strategy, bad branding. Why spend all the effort changing the name unless it was to hit up all the existing customers for another buy? Would have been more efficient to keep it under the CFP brand name. I mean they even used the same stills and video examples in some of the marketing for Cinema Grade, that they used for Color Finale Pro. Seems like a rebrand to me.
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Color Finale Pro 1.8.2 & FCPX 10.4.4 compatibility CRASH every time! 20 Nov 2018 02:58 #97801

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" there is a believe that Color Finale is nearing End of Life "
I will agree with you and as long as they fix it for a few FCPX update, I will be happy.
The only way to be sure you don't loose finessing work is to use Built in tools, as for tracking SliceX and/orTrackX did offer Color Finale tracking module features, not CGC. I like traditional workflows so for very serious work that need more than primary grading , I will use "DaVinci resolve studio" there is nothing like this in this price range, and now even if you buy a DVR panel with it . The tracking is amazing and the node base structure is a versatile. ( I hate doing creative editing in anything else than FCPX) Lately I have redone a couple of old publicity work that use to need FLAME software using the fusion page and wow it did turn out pretty well.
Back to subject everything has an end remember INFERNO , SHAKE , Combustion, Digital Studio all dead.
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Color Finale Pro 1.8.2 & FCPX 10.4.4 compatibility CRASH every time! 20 Nov 2018 03:10 #97802

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Good point Francois. I did a whole series using CFP in 2017, and only one episode ended up being released. Now there is an op to resurrect the project with different sponsors and I need to make some changes, but CFP is broken. I think it's best to abandon Color Finale Pro and CGC and stick with built in tools from now on.
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Color Finale Pro 1.8.2 & FCPX 10.4.4 compatibility CRASH every time! 20 Nov 2018 03:48 #97803

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Just a last teaser for CINEMA GRADE since it is unique, original, fun to work with and it is worth having in your arsenal for some ephemeral production. CinemaGrade even shows up as a "plugin fx" in DaVinci resolve so ....
I will also add that when you purchase Final Cut pro then HD then Studio you had to pay every time you upgraded and suddenly that was the END. ( lost all that money )

Then you bought FCPX , Motion, Compressor all over again...and all these little add on. The story is endless remember the price of all the SPARK filters even the first AVID with pixelated AVR1 codec ; it could really only output an EDL list and the price for that was outrageous and they kept on an on, ADOBE :evil: had a better idea pay by the month or die ...
All thing must past , maybe I should go to sleep , :woohoo:
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Color Finale Pro 1.8.2 & FCPX 10.4.4 compatibility CRASH every time! 20 Nov 2018 04:22 #97804

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… didn't Cinema Grade miss the opportunity to nest in FCPX as a WORKFLOW?
If technical possible …
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