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Workflow with two editors, one in FCPX, one in Premiere, using proxies? 13 Aug 2018 10:17 #96794

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Hi guys!

I want to make a dream come true and live and work out of a camper for a year or so. This requires some changes in my workflow and it would be lovely if someone could point me in the right direction!

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I want to share the workload with a friend back home as my assistant editor. He will log all the clips and delete the ones that we do not need. He works in Premiere. His stage of work shall then be sent to me via internet so that I can continue in FCPX. When I am done, I might want to send it back to the other guy for color grading and graphic work.

We will each have a harddisk with the full footage for the first job. For following jobs it could happen that I do not have the full material and we might have to transfer it via internet. I am on my mobile connection which is unlimited but not fast, so it would be great to work with proxies.

I know there were tools to copy projects from Premiere to X and vice versa but to be honest I lost track of this because there never was a need for me. Also FCPX has changed in the way it does color correction and other things, so not sure if there is a new approach?

Any advice is very welcome. Thanks for your time!
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Workflow with two editors, one in FCPX, one in Premiere, using proxies? 14 Aug 2018 15:30 #96808

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Proxies are just a lightweight version of the original media, maybe you mean to work with XML. You can make very lightweight proxies, but it takes a few steps, Felipe Baez created a post about this here on FCP.co, and it is a great method, you have to just sort out in your head the best workflow that works for you.

I found this link searching for a solution...www.intelligentassistance.com/xtocc.html
and from Adobe... helpx.adobe.com/africa/premiere-pro/how-...m-final-cut-pro.html

Give those pages a read, maybe a solution there...I think X is a better system overall, if you need info on ultra light proxies, just shout!!
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Workflow with two editors, one in FCPX, one in Premiere, using proxies? 15 Aug 2018 13:29 #96811

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Overturf wrote:
...a friend back home as my assistant editor. He will log all the clips and delete the ones that we do not need. He works in Premiere. His stage of work shall then be sent to me via internet so that I can continue in FCPX. When I am done, I might want to send it back to the other guy for color grading and graphic work.

We will each have a harddisk with the full footage for the first job. For following jobs it could happen that I do not have the full material and we might have to transfer it via internet. I am on my mobile connection which is unlimited but not fast, so it would be great to work with proxies.

I know there were tools to copy projects from Premiere to X and vice versa but to be honest I lost track of this because there never was a need for me. Also FCPX has changed in the way it does color correction and other things, so not sure if there is a new approach? ...

Remote collaboration is not always easy, even if both are using FCPX. In that case there are a few tools that can help such as MergeX which allows combining the ratings and keywords from two editors: www.merge.software

Proxy-only workflow can be complex, even with both editors in FCPX. The overall procedure is well documented in Ripple Training's FCPX media management tutorial: www.rippletraining.com/products/final-cu...-final-cut-pro-10-4/

It's ironic your AE will handle the initial processing in Premiere, because that is the strongest area for FCPX. The product that evolved into FCPX was originally designed as a "First Cut" organizational tool for the "Final Cut" NLE. Some people who use Avid or Premiere use FCPX on the front end to organize the material.

Premiere has no equivalent to the FCPX event browser and range-based rating/keywording. So "collaborative work" between FCPX and Premiere often degenerates to the lowest-common denominator that Premiere supports, which is the timeline. Ideally if your AE was on FCPX you would get a library or XML with range-based rejects, favorites, keywords and with all multi-cam clips synced. However since he's on Premiere you'll get a bunch of timelines and have to dig out the material from there. The question is how do you move timelines between Premiere and FCPX.

I haven't used them but there are utilities which allow moving a Premiere Pro sequence to FCPX and vice-versa:

SendToX: itunes.apple.com/us/app/sendtox/id496926258?mt=12
XtoCC: itunes.apple.com/us/app/xtocc/id487899517?mt=12

Before deciding on any procedures, utilities or tools, they should be thoroughly tested. This includes usual problem areas such as multicam, sync clips, clips with effects like retiming, stabilization, etc.

OTOH if your AE will simply be filtering through material for you and sending you "the good stuff", that can be done as assembly edits in several timelines, with no need for extensive effects. I think SendToX would work for that but you'd need to test it. Your media tree would ideally match between your AE and you, but in theory you can relink this in FCPX -- provided the filenames themselves don't change. Note: if using external proxies in FCPX (ie stored outside the library) then relink may not work.

FCPX has no official procedure for using proxies generated from any other source except within FCPX. So your AE can't create a lightweight proxy version of newly-shot material, upload that to you for use within FCPX (as a proxy). You can edit his proxy as a regular file but then you must manually conform and frame match each clip by hand to the full-resolution files when available.
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Workflow with two editors, one in FCPX, one in Premiere, using proxies? 15 Aug 2018 13:39 #96812

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Joema is right, you have to import the high rez files into FCPX, create a proxy, then use the Felipe Baez method to further reduce the file size of the proxy, then replace the old proxy with the tiny compressor created proxy, it is not hard, just a tad fiddly.

Going from one to the other is an issue, back in the day, when all we had was tracks, it was simple, like for like for the most part, but with FCPX, this is no longer the case.

I watched the video on the Adobe link and the whole time I was thinking just how much more effort of the brain is required to just manage the data, with X this is not the case, I watched a resolve in 5 min from Ripple and again bins and such a fiddly workflow when compared to X.

Maybe you editor could find a 2nd hand cheap as chips macbook air, once you have the low data rate proxy file, then you really don't need much horsepower under the hood to edit, so like for like editing instead of translating and even Adobe's example did not translate 100%, maybe to prove a point that folks, stick to one platform, mixing is just a bad idea.

A solution would be to go both onto a common platform, yip Resolve might be a way forward, like for like...I would suggest rather getting a low cost macbook air and fcpx...
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