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TOPIC: FCP7 vs High Sierra

FCP7 vs High Sierra 18 May 2018 12:10 #95552

MsJustine wrote:
No that is wrong and you know it.

I listed 3 apps that are professional in nature, that have a long...I would suggest that Final Cut Studio has a long life span ahead, sure it was not loved by Apple, and terminated very quickly, and Apple being Apple will not support it, fine, accepted..

If Apple have EOL'ed this app, then why not just throw it onto the web, warts and all, to Apple it has zero value, like a used paper coffee cup, why not give the code away so that others can keep it alive????

Upvote. Yup.
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FCP7 vs High Sierra 18 May 2018 15:22 #95555

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Apple has always prevented newer hardware from running older OS's it is part of the EFI code. No surprise that your new iMacPro won't run anything except HS. Interesting about VM as restrictions were mostly about booting.
Caution and question to the community, Will the latest 2017 iMac 5K even run Sierra? I think not but can't test this. The latest version ships with HS and maybe won't run earlier OS version???
Bill if I am right, then you would have to buy one generation older iMac/MP/MBP, why would you want to if you already own a Mac that can run FCP7, and take a big production hit on all future work by getting rid of your iMacPro for the few times you need FCP7? Over time the iMacPro will more than pay back a $1,000 especially with all the apps you run. Or you could sell it, get a even older laptop, install FCP7, put in closet and pocket the difference in $$.
Haven't opened 7 in long time, hope I won't ever :P

Hope this Helps, Greg
p.s. Sorry if I poo poo in your car, just wanted to warn you about latest iMac may not run Sierra either :unsure:
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FCP7 vs High Sierra 18 May 2018 15:27 #95556

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My 2017 5K iMac shipped with Sierra (I forget which version), so it can run Sierra. You'd have to have an installer disk for Sierra (the latest version) to do an erase/install of the OS. I've run into an issue before where an older OS couldn't install because the hardware required a minimum version (a later dot release). So if you have an installer thumb drive already for Sierra, just make sure it's the latest so you don't run into that.
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FCP7 vs High Sierra 21 May 2018 08:22 #95583

Thanks, guys, really. It's been helpful. I'm just frustrated about the whole snafu, I suppose. I'll keep the old computer in tow just so I can open FCP projects, sigh. In the "normal" world, newer versions of software open older projects intact (filters too, no translations necessary, "intact" being the key word) -- AE, Premiere, Photoshop, hell even Avid 8 opens Avid 4 projects. Meanwhile, Apple disappeared a whole industry built around FCS in one snap of the gauntlet. (See what I did there?)

I've always made a practice of exporting masters -- master, textless, M&E, etc., so thanks for the advice and worry not, I do have that covered. Still, it comes up that I need to open projects. For instance, a series we started years ago (plug - get your Biffle & Shooster on Amazon now!) recently sold to Kino Lorber, and that involved a few re-edits and lots of additions. The matting and filtering and effects on these shorts are... well, maybe later I'll share a screenshot of a timeline, you'll get the idea!

The Larry Blamire movies (I know, Google him) are similarly complex on the timeline, going all the way back to 2002, and have moved not just through distributors but owners as well. The films live on and on in themed event screenings and as fodder in fun new projects. Eventually, I'll be making 4k image sequences (that better DCPs can be made from), and want to go back in and redo some things first, re-composite some things that have never held up beyond SD.

Documentaries have similar lives too. Crazy Wisdom began in the '70s, 16mm flatbed work prints. Work resumed early 2000's, then again late 2000's. It's meat lives in FCP. The film had its festival and television run, but still bounces around in specialty / educational screenings, given the subject matter. Same with No Mas Bebes. (I know I'm name-dropping films you never heard of, but, well, just go with it. Let's just say in illustration of how tied into the FCP7 I am, we are.) I've even graded and onlined in FCP7, on to layback to sail through QCs at HBO, BBC, History Channel, Sony North American theatrical (that would be Lost Skeleton film-out, but there are some technical qualifications to talk about on this one).

Folks forget how "big" (original) FCP was at one time. How many industry seminars have I been to? I know plenty of people who still have it and still use it on their films, not in small part because their projects span years. (Also, some are luddites, but okay.) And well, they already have it, know it, like it -- subscription-free to boot. I know one facility that keeps it around for one task only: If they ever need to lay something back to tape. Blackmagic equipped FCP7 deck control is easy right off a timeline, robust and just works. I know FCP is still used elsewhere in the world in community centers, vocational schools, local television, what have you.

Wouldn't surprise me if around the entire world you still have a count of, I dunno, users numbering in seven figures. I'll be the first to lay down hundred bucks on the donationware that installs and launches FCS in High Sierra and beyond. There's a hidden market for it, I guarantee it!

It's late and this is how I procrastinate, pontificating to an empty room. G'nite!
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