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Using a Canon HF S21 with FCP X 09 Feb 2016 11:26 #73139

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I am new to FCP X and this forum. I am hoping someone can help me understand importing footage from a Canon Legria HF S21. The camera has two settings for framerate PF25 and 50i as well as 5 quality modes of which the top two are of the most interest as they record at 1440 x 1080, AVCHD format. When I import a clip into FCP that has been made with the 50i setting the clip inspector correctly shows as 50i. However if I record and then import in PF25 which I believe is 25 fps progressive the clip shows as 25i in the inspector. I am not sure if this is some feature of AVCHD and if the clip is interlaced or even which is the best setting to use for the best quality. Any help appreciated.
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Using a Canon HF S21 with FCP X 09 Feb 2016 20:01 #73161

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I use the HF S10. Record in MXP modus at 1920 x 1080. 50i (progressive). This is the best quality of the cam and the best to edit in FCPX imho. 25 FPS is interlaced.

Manual (Dutch)
'Opnamen die zijn gemaakt met de beeldsnelheid [PF25], worden geconverteerd en opgenomen in het
geheugen als 50i.'

'....footage shot with PF25 will be converted in the memory to 50i'
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Using a Canon HF S21 with FCP X 09 Feb 2016 20:11 #73162

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If I record in MXP at 1920 x 180. 50i doesn't the i signify that it's interlaced. Or is there a progressive setting also that I have missed. I tried both settings PF25 and 50i and when uploaded to FCPX both showed a i interlaced in the inspector. I have a feeling it's something simple/obvious I am missing.
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Using a Canon HF S21 with FCP X 02 Oct 2016 19:38 #80461

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Heej Roblister,
Did you get any wiser about setting up FCPX for importing footage from your Canon HF s21?

This 50i vs PF25 is also nagging me for a long time. When I Google this 'Canon 50i vs 25p' thing it seems like EVERYBODY is struggling with this question, but I could not find any clear answer.
I always shot in 50i and never worried about frame rates etc. But now I want to understand the whole 50i vs PF25 issue. Also because I believe that understanding this could lead to better results.
I did some tests between 50i and PF25 and footage shot in PF25 is better in low light than 50i. The shadowy parts are way darker in 50i than in PF25. There is way less grain also after correcting the exposure. Also the colour is way more natural than in 50i.
I only shot the tests in Cine Mode and in Custom Effect I set the color dept, brightness, contrast and Sharpness to -1.This gives me more room in post for colorgrading.
I have to do more tests in bright light and compare the 2 modes.

Importing in FCPX gave me these results:
*There is no way to make a 1920x1080 50i project.

*When I import the 50i footage to FCPX it recognises it as 25i. So when I select a clip in the event, the inspector (screen on the right) tells me: 1920x1080 | 25i.

*When I import PF25 footage in FCPX it also recognises it as 25i. This also shows in the inspector: 1920x1080 | 25i.

*I make a new project: 1920x1080 - 25i - and put in the 25i clips. When the 'View' button in the canvas (I mean the middle screen where clips and timeline can be seen) and select: 'Show both fields' the famous 'combing' effect is there. I believe the 'Show both fields' lets you view the upper and lower interlaced shots. That could mean we are dealing with interlaced footage, or the Field Dominance Override is not correctly recognised by FCPX. Continue reading :-)

In my experience with my GH2, FCPX sees the 1920x1080-25p clips as 25i. The way to override this, is simply select all your clips in the event, go to the inspector, click 'info', set Field Dominance Override to 'progressive'. Then you're set and you can make a 1920x1080-25p project.

*I make a new project:1920x1080 - 25p. I set the Field Dominance Override to Progressive for my 50i and PF25 recorded clips, There is no need to render the clips when dragged into the timeline.

That could lead to the conclusion: 50i AND PF25 recorded footage is ALWAYS progressive, but it needs to be set in the Field Dominance Override field.
Maybe the reading of the sensor information can be set to 2 flavours, representing the 2 different settings? But still writing 25p clips?!

Pfwiew, I hope you're still there and would like to reply. I am really curious if you have any tips or comments on my thoughts about this issue.

Kind regards,
Huibert


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Using a Canon HF S21 with FCP X 18 Jul 2018 10:09 #96403

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Hi Huibert, sorry for the delayed reply but I had no notification that there had been a reply to this thread. I only found my own post again by accident when I Googled the problem. I didn't really go much further as I found the whole 50i PF25 saga confusing plus I had just got a Canon 7D mk2 which recorded in uncomplicated .mov files. I have just ordered a Panasonic camcorder which I hope won't have these problems.

If you do read this I would be interested to know if you did get any further as I still have the HFS21 as a backup camera.
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